but how many clients in general do you have that have dogs with no "issues"? If they don't have issues they aren't all that likely to consult you, are they?I have yet tohave a client with a show dog that didn't have issues.
This, 1000%.but how many clients in general do you have that have dogs with no "issues"? If they don't have issues they aren't all that likely to consult you, are they?I have yet tohave a client with a show dog that didn't have issues.
I know LOTS of show dogs who have no "issues". And I know lots of pet dogs from all walks of life and all sorts of backgrounds and historys that have major, debilitating "issues". I know show dogs who are trained not just for the breed ring but for the world, they have excellent coping skills in unfamiliar settings and situations, many are therapy dogs doing visits in hospitals, nursing homes, libraries to read with kids, what have you... they are beloved and treasured family pets who happen to have a pageant career. Many have titles in one or more performance venues whick implies man hours spent one-on-one with their people. Some are bred somewhere along the line, some serve as ambassadors for their breed, for dogs in general, and for the show community without ever producing offspring.
Some are debarked, and I just can't get too worked up over that personally. I would prefer it not be done, but I have known dozens upon dozens of debarked dogs and not a single one has ever given me reason to believe they suffered anything behind a mild sore throat for a day post-op and a day of feeling a little blech from the anesthesia. None had any difficulty communicating vocally. I do not discount the potential for risk of complications i n the future if a debarked dog needs to be intubated, but I have never seen it happen (and the dogs I have known who died under anesthesia were not debarked.) The dogs bark at squirrels and leaves and doorbells and skateboards, they bark and yammer at each other in play and at people who are slow to serve up supper - they just aren't as loud. It's less invasive and less significant an body modification than dewclaw removal and it's done by a vet under anesthesia, which most dewclaw removals are not. I'll campaign against snipping off dewclaws long before I get upset over debarks.
Many of the sheltie breeders out here debark their puppies while they are only weeks old. When I asked one of them about it (when I was tracing Eddie's tattoos), I was told she does it because shelties are so yappy and debarking helps ensure they won't lose their home for excessive barking! We're talking about wee pups here, before any attempts at training. I've had two shelties who were not debarked - one virtually never barked, the other was a bit barky but not annoyingly so. Then I had Eddie who was debarked as a very young pup by the breeder, and drives me absolutely bananas with his constant, irritating, raspy squeeky non-bark.....also a Sheltie from the above situation who was DEBARKED by the breeder. Seriously.)
That is a good point. Many dogs who have never seen the inside of a show ring are trained without any treats, forced into sits, and live by learned helplessness. This dog we happen to know was a kennel dog unless she was on campaign, which certainly didn't help. On the other hand, at least they got the temperament right because when she did go on the offensive, she barking and growled her piece and then left it at that. She did not continue to make any displays. Waaaaaay better than too many goldens we see around here now.
and none of that means a thing other than that it was the individual jackwagon who failed the poor Golden not because they were show people but because they are fools.
Amen to that - if you can't stand dogs barking, don't choose to breed a bunch of barky dogs!I think it is absurd for a breeder to debark the breed that they CHOSE to breed, knowing full well that it's a big mouth dog.
I haven't been able to find out which vet(s) are doing it. I do know it isn't the ones I use, but the breeders have evaded my question or claim to 'forget' who did it.I also have a huge problem with a vet who will de-bark puppies. If it's a solution for a dog who later is a problem barker, that's one thing. Doing it at the request of breeders, that's unethical. Does anyone register any complaints about the vets who do that, Jean?
That's my Eddie! And it may be quieter, but it is still loud enough that one day when I was out without the dogs, my neighbours heard Eddie carrying on in the mudroom of my house so they came running over to check if everything was okay. (I have such good neighbours! ). They looked through the window and he was just getting all excited at the cat, who was sitting on top of Mitzi's crate tormenting her with swipey paws (no harm - paws couldn't reach Mitzi. But Eddie knew Allie was being a tease apparently).Does debarking actually reduce the incidence of barking? I've only known two dogs that were debarked and they were both rescues so no idea how much they barked before the procedure, but they sure were talkative when I knew them. And, while it was quieter than a full on barkfest, it was also a much more disturbing sound than normal barking. It was an awful, grating, harsh, raspy bark that sounded like it should be painful, though I've been assured it wasn't. It was like fingernails on a chalkboard to me. .
Not even a little - and some dogs really don't have all that dramatic a reduction in volume, but it does reduce how much the sound carries, so neighbors in close quarters might still hear the dog but may be able to turn on the TV or stereo and not have the barking be disruptive.Does debarking actually reduce the incidence of barking?
but this isn't necessarily due only to the procedure - I used to care for a Boxer whose natural bark sounded like a debarked Pekingese. She had never suffered any trauma or illness that would have affected her throat or larynx, she just barked with a bizarre squeaky wheezing, raspy voice.... It was an awful, grating, harsh, raspy bark that sounded like it should be painful, though I've been assured it wasn't. It was like fingernails on a chalkboard to me.
this too. Although it certainly is something that can be brought on by the procedure, it is also something that can affect unaltered dogs. None of the debarked dogs I know in person have this problem, and of the dogs I know who chronically gag, choke, and retch up water, not a one of them is debarked.Oh, and one side effect of debarking for many dogs, including Eddie, is constant gagging and bringing up water after drinking - something about cold water that triggers a reflex in the nerves around the scarred vocal tissue. It quite alarms my visitors.
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