Advice please... Tail and neuter issues

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Re: Advice please... Tail and neuter issues

Postby Amanda » Fri Apr 08, 2016 6:12 pm

Still draining fluid. There are some hairs around the edges I am still trying to find and get out. He looks like a naked mole rat took up residence on his tail. Lol

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Postby MaisyPancakes » Fri Apr 08, 2016 8:30 pm

Awww, poor you GUYS! Sheesh. So he's still *making* fluid (for lack of better word), or is it just the stuff that didn't come out with a lance or whatever they did? The ingrown hairs are only from shavey/fallout area, right? Not the "normal" parts? Hugs!!

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Re: Advice please... Tail and neuter issues

Postby UpwardDog » Fri Apr 08, 2016 10:27 pm

Was there a bit of a callous there? Rosie has calloused elbows I call it labrador elbow", you know , when it's kind of a bump of skin from lying on the hard floor? She gets black dots that are hairs trying in vain to grow through the callous lump.

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Postby Amanda » Sun Apr 10, 2016 11:24 pm

No callous. I called Saturday am to ask if I should be worried. The skin is almost normal in color now, but the fluid persists. Tech said to bring him in. I just couldn't swing it that day so we have an appt tomorrow afternoon. I am hoping things will look better in the morning but I think we may need more antibiotics.

My mom brought me an omnishield wound dressing that promotes healing and kills bacteria using silver fibers in the dressing. Her horse has been dealing with a major injury for 7 months. So I was a little bit mean tonight. Smeared PB all over the fridge to distract and then poked about 30 holes all over the bump. He didn't even flinch. Good boy. :) Put the dressing on and will check it in the morning. The clinical trials for this thing show complete wound healing in 2nd degree burns within 48 hours. My mom couldn't use it for her horse because after only 24 hrs he grew proud flesh all over his wound and they had to debride it (not fun). My hope is that by poking holes all over we will expose the bacteria inside and the dressing can help somehow. It was interesting to see which holes bled and which still had fluid. It seems there is just one major pocket of infection left.

I don't think Dr. B will charge me for a recheck, but at the same time, I just do not want to spend any more money. It's getting ridiculous. So if things look good in the morning I will cancel and keep up my own home treatment. It's hard to tell now which hairs are normal regrowth and what might be more ingrown ones. If it refills with fluid again despite my efforts we will go back for more antibiotics. So frustrating!

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Postby connie » Mon Apr 11, 2016 4:22 am

That wound dressing is interesting. Could you get the same effect with colloidal silver and gauze pads, I wonder? I love colloidal silver, and it's an inexpensive go-to for all kinds of topical problems, in my house.

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Re: Advice please... Tail and neuter issues

Postby Amanda » Sat Apr 16, 2016 9:27 pm

The tail patch is still bald as a naked mole rat. But the skin looked mostly healthy up until today. He has a small patch that looked inflamed and upon closer inspection I found more black stubble. Hard to tell if it is normal hair growing back, or ingrown hair, or what!?! But it all makes me nervous. I just went ahead and lanced the inflamed area, and applied the silver dressing. The nice thing is that he doesn't seem bothered by the dressing or elastikon so he doesn't need a cone. (Knock on wood.) I plucked the black hairs and again, they came out without any fight and his normal hair hangs on before plucking out, so I am leaning toward them being ingrown. I can see some more, but they aren't sticking out enough to grab with tweezers. I guess time will tell if normal hair will return to this spot. The rest of the tail that was shaved for surgery has almost grown back completely.

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Postby MaisyPancakes » Sat Apr 23, 2016 3:23 pm

How's the naked tail, Amanda? Hoping no news is good news!

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Re: Advice please... Tail and neuter issues

Postby Amanda » Mon Apr 25, 2016 7:27 am

Still naked. Had another blackhead/ingrown hair yesterday in one spot. I am not sure how long it will take for new hair to start growing or when I should get worried about that. I am guessing since it all came out at the root it will take longer than a shaved area to regrow.

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Postby MaisyPancakes » Fri Apr 29, 2016 7:01 pm

Sorry it's still naked! :( Everything else is OK, I hope! :)

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Re: Advice please... Tail and neuter issues

Postby Amanda » Fri May 06, 2016 10:36 pm

Update on the big red fuzz-face. Good news first... He is no longer "lame" at a walk/trot. He does, however, walk with a hitch in his step that the vet couldn't say was either habit or compensation for pain. He tackles his workouts well and clearly gets tired on the right hind and begins to favor it after a short time. We are to continue his exercises, increasing in difficulty and return in a month for harder ones. Not sure if I will go to the appointment I made or if we will take a private lesson with Bobbie Lyons in June, or what we will do. I'm kind of over paying for these things. We decided to start pushing his limits a little. Letting him do stairs a bit, run a bit, play at daycare if he can for short periods. (Not all the same day, of course.) Basically she said I could keep him wrapped in a bubble and he could live to 15 with barely a limp but not have a life, or I can let him screech into death someday well worn and happy. Not that we will go berserk out the gate, but it's time to let him live a little and understand that he is never going to be healed from this. We just have to manage his pain.

Bad news: he has giardia again. Started panacur today. Ordered the goat version this afternoon and plan to treat landis as well. And then hit them both again in two weeks. Vet tech wanted a fecal sample from Landis before she would ask for a rx for him, but the cost of the rx is less than the fecal and I'd just as soon assume he has it since the test can come back false negative anyway.

And so now here's the tough part and I would love some input on what to do. I gathered official letters from both my regular vet and the specialist outlining his diagnoses of pano and HD. I want to present them to his breeder and say, this is my complaint. The contract says two unaffiliated vets diagnose a congenital abnormality that renders the dog unable to be shown or bred, and I qualify for a refund. She will likely argue that I had him neutered before the hip diagnosis (but not before he grew far above the height standard and suffered crippling pano), but at this point he can't even be hunted so all my plans for him are gone. She wants OFA X-rays at 2 yrs with a less than borderline rating to give me a refund. But that isn't in the contract. It says two vets diagnose any genetic medical disorder. To do PennHip or OFA is the same or more than my refund and it's another time to put him under anesthesia. Not my favorite plan.

Basically, I want my money back. But I also want to expose her for who she is and how terrible this situation has been. But I don't want to be the crazy person on Facebook shouting her flaws and looking like a slanderer. Do I threaten to go public with what she has done? If she does give me my money will I be happy with that? I don't want any more of her dogs sold to unsuspecting people like me. I don't want to start a ruckus of drama either. Ugh. I want a big undo button to take me back and start over.

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Re: Advice please... Tail and neuter issues

Postby connie » Sat May 07, 2016 5:19 am

Is there any breed club involved? Does she belong to a breed club, in any country or internationally? Or any kennel club at all?

If I were dealing with this in the Lapphund breed, I would present all my documentation and statements to the breed club and cc the breeder. I would state that my plans for the dog have been invalidated by his physical limitations, which I and a number of diagnosing vets believe to be CHD, and that the quality of his life has been adversely impacted by his structural conditions at a very young age. I would include a request for compensation, either in the form of a full or partial refund of purchase price, or payment for some of his extensive veterinary care bills. I would include the information that in my care, he was not over-exercised or improperly exercised and he was fed a balanced diet appropriate for growing large-breed dogs.

I agree, no back-and-forth on Facebook will be productive. And you may not end up getting anything from this breeder, she may wiggle out of what I believe are her obligations, but the facts and documentary evidence really should be presented to a breed or kennel club, because they speak to the ethics and breeding practices of this particular kennel. If you get money back, that's almost a bonus, but this information should be shared.

Good luck. And FWIW, I agree with you about letting Z's body absorb some of the consequences of real activity, always aware that pain management may be needed on a given day. I hope very much that he grows out of some of this, in whatever way possible.

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Re: Advice please... Tail and neuter issues

Postby UpwardDog » Sat May 07, 2016 10:23 am

giardia :bah:

I don't know enough about hip dysplasia or your contract to know. My questions are:

Is there *any* chance his hips will change enough with age such that they wouldn't OFA as dysplastic at 2? If not, I would want the vets to write that out in a crystal clear way.

Did your contract say you must keep him intact til 2 or growth plates close or something? I don't remember his specific age when you neutered him, but I think x-rays suggested his plates were closed? If so, I would want that detail highlighted by a vet as well.

I agree with Connie that you may not get money back because these contracts really aren't enforceable, but laying it all out with documentation both to his breeder and to the breed club/kennel club is worthwhile. It may not help you, but at least you'd know you tried, and it might make the breeder consider how she handles things with the next puppy buyer.

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Re: Advice please... Tail and neuter issues

Postby Amanda » Sat May 07, 2016 11:28 am

I have asked around and it appears there is no way to appeal to the kennel club. She already registers her dogs as being born in another country. I was told for tax reasons, but maybe it's another reason. I don't know. I think I'm just SOL.

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Postby connie » Sat May 07, 2016 12:10 pm

Is she a member of this club?
http://www.hungarianvizslaclub.org.uk

Or this one?
http://www.vizsla.org.uk

In what venue have her dogs earned titles? It seems to me that those venues should be apprised of this example of her breeding practices. Again, you might get exactly nothing from it, but it drives me nuts to encounter crummy breeders -- they do nothing but feed the trolls who go around breeder-bashing and saying everyone should get a rescue or nothing. Good, honest breeders are invaluable to a breed. Stuff happens, we all know that, and nature throws curveballs to ALL breeders; but the way this woman has responded to you, I don't get the sense that she is appalled by Z's condition and anxious to redeem herself. In which case, I would want that known, because she taints the reputations of the truly good Vizsla breeders.
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Re: Advice please... Tail and neuter issues

Postby MaisyPancakes » Sat May 07, 2016 12:15 pm

Ugh. I hope you have some recourse, and at least be able to tell your story as a warning to others. Can you alert her country's kennel club that she breeds in the country but lies on her paperwork and requires her buyers to partake in the deception? It seems like the layers of her misconduct goes rather deeply with the whole tax evasion component.


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