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MP had another seizure-y thing :(

Postby MaisyPancakes » Mon Sep 14, 2015 11:36 am

Boooooooooo. :( MP had another seizure-y episode around 11:30 today. I was downstairs and did not see it, but Acorn caught it (he didn't see what she was doing up to the episode, but heard her fall to her side [w/a loud kaboom :( ] and saw that she was seizing. He guessed about 10 seconds of actual episode, during or after which she peed, had long breaths while quietly whine-squeaking, not stiff legs but no paddling/leg movement, eyes open and looked "scared" but couldn't tell if she was conscious or not. He thinks she got up to mosey about and suddenly fell. He didn't hear coughs or gags right before it happened, like I did with her previous ones (July and November last year). This one sounded the least dramatic of all three. By the time I made it up stairs, she had come out of it and was just breathing deep and looking tired with her head on his hand. He had put his hand under her head because she was on hard wood and bonked her head pretty hard. He said as she came out of it, she licked his hand and looked at him and stuff. I gave her honey and yogurt and she ate no problem. She still seems kind of tired but had no problem trotting over to the kitchen to get more food. I had Acorn talk to a tech at the vet to log in the episode in her chart. We go see our reg vet tomorrow afternoon for regular acupuncture, so I'll talk to her, then.

It seemed to me like her gums seemed slightly paler immediately after, but I could be wrong, or that it's sometimes paler in mornings. (She got a late start this morning!)

I still can't quite figure out whether it's seizures or syncope, and all my vets seem to think they are different things. I think we hadn't really pursued diagnostic stuff other than regular bloodwork and blood pressure readings because she was not having them that often. She did almost go an entire year since the last (observed) one, though.

One thing that has been bothering me is that she seriously slams her head down when she lies down on her left (bad shoulder) side. It's like a big kaboom. She only does it on soft beds at home, but has done it on a medium-thick rugs at Acorn's. I'm guessing she does this because it hurts to slowly bear weight on her bad shoulder; she doesn't kaboom on her right/good side. I seriously wonder if she's getting concussions or something even if she does it on soft surfaces. :S

Anyway! I was hoping for a park outing today for my b-day, but we should maybe take it kind of easy. Poor Pancakes.

Thanks for listening! :love:

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Re: MP had another seizure-y thing :(

Postby UpwardDog » Mon Sep 14, 2015 12:51 pm

Poor Pancakes and you too. ((big hug)) I wish I had helpful words. you're in my thoughts.

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Re: MP had another seizure-y thing :(

Postby emmas_mom » Mon Sep 14, 2015 1:50 pm

Aw Nana, I'm so sorry - an on your birthday too! All the seizures I've observed have involved paddling as well as foaminess around the mouth or at least heavy drooling. When Eddie was having seizures, and then the meds caused other issues that affected his heart and caused syncope, there was a clear distinction - the seizures were always leg paddling, mouth frothing episodes with eyes rolled back in head whereas with the syncope he just thunked over on one side and lay still and nonresponsive. He didn't lose bladder control with either, though most dogs I've seen have seizures do.
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Re: MP had another seizure-y thing :(

Postby Calypso » Mon Sep 14, 2015 6:04 pm

I have nothing to offer other than a "THESE EPISODES SUCK! GO AWAY!"

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Re: MP had another seizure-y thing :(

Postby PofiMia » Mon Sep 14, 2015 8:14 pm

Aw, Nana. And MP. :-(

In my limited experience, seizures were sometimes more dramatic with paddling or circling and sometimes just flopping over and semi consciousness as described here. There were times Iggy cat made sounds and times he didn't. And all told he had about 6 episodes before we got his under control by addressing BP issue.

Healing thoughts for Pancakes.

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Re: MP had another seizure-y thing :(

Postby SherriA » Mon Sep 14, 2015 10:34 pm

Oh Nana, how stressful! And on your bday too! I hope the vet has some answers.

FWIW, Oliver never did any paddling or leg movement at all during his seizures. He would crumple to the ground and rock and drool, but never any more dramatic movement than that, so I'd say that just the absense of leg movement doesn't meant it wasn't a seizure. How did her head feel? I always found Oliver's head was hot to my touch after a seizure.
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Re: MP had another seizure-y thing :(

Postby Amanda » Tue Sep 15, 2015 6:16 pm

Seizures can look differently everybody. Freddy had the grand mak scary ones and little ones that I wasn't even sure we're seizures until Inshowed video to my vet. I'm sorry this is still happening. Poor MP and you!! Hoping these hints stop and you don't have to worry anymore!

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Re: MP had another seizure-y thing :(

Postby MaisyPancakes » Wed Sep 16, 2015 4:04 pm

Thanks, everyone! Saw the vet yesterday for acupuncture and she couldn't really say if it was a seizure or not, either. :/ We discussed neuro stuff (MRI, etc.—but we're unlikely to do anything should we see some brain thing or anything, so we probably won't do that), and heart issues (in case it's syncope)—they do have a cardio specialist who comes in and does all the big tests and all, like the ultrasound/echo. My vet's instinct was to not pursue that stuff just yet, since she's just not seeing other heart-lung stuff at all (although she said sometimes that stuff does sneak up on you without obvious manifestations). We somehow did decide to do the Jean Dodd's sensitivity test because we'd been encountering soft boops for a while now, and they can get a few free sample tests. So, for now, wait and see again, and if I want, do the cardio thing.

Sherri, her head wasn't hot—that's been one of the first things I check, thanks to you! :)

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