Ginger made it through!

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Ginger made it through!

Postby Carson_Crazies » Mon Mar 18, 2013 11:10 am

I feel kinda lame announcing this, but when you're a dog and 15 years old, making it through surgery is always scary business. Ginger made it through! She got her mass removed, and her dental. They said her teeth were stained and worn down in places, but did not need a single extraction!!! That's pretty amazing, really.

Not only that but... she's already standing up. They say she came out of the anas. faster than most, and is already up and looking at them, like, "Hello??". I told Norma she probably is wondering where her breakfast is. That Ginger... she's not like any other dog I've ever met.

Now we cross our fingers for a NBD on the histopath!

Thanks for the good vibes.
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Postby UpwardDog » Mon Mar 18, 2013 3:17 pm

YAY!!!!

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Postby Calypso » Mon Mar 18, 2013 4:23 pm

Whew! Big sigh of relief.

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Postby SherriA » Mon Mar 18, 2013 4:35 pm

So glad to read this!!!
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Postby Sabine » Mon Mar 18, 2013 4:53 pm

Excellent news! :)
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Postby maxs_mommy » Mon Mar 18, 2013 4:59 pm

Good girl Ginger! Here's hoping the path report comes back clear!
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Re: Ginger made it through!

Postby QBert » Mon Mar 18, 2013 5:36 pm

Oh, very good news!

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Re: Ginger made it through!

Postby whiteboxerboy » Mon Mar 18, 2013 6:13 pm

yes!!!

so happy to hear a good report. sending lots of NBD thoughts for the report from the mass.

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Postby Carson_Crazies » Mon Mar 18, 2013 6:29 pm

The vet chatted with me for a while when I went to pick her up. He said even if it comes back something nasty, he's not too concerned. He said he got great margins - didn't even have to go down through all of the layers of fat (yes, Ginger porked out over the winter, and I didn't realize it until I shaved her). Anyway, he did say if it was mast cell there was the possibility of spreading, but again he got all of it so cleanly he's not too worried. He says regardless of what it is his recommendation is the same at this point. Just watch and see.

That being said, if it is something nasty I'll probably make some changes for her diet and supps wise.
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Re: Ginger made it through!

Postby MaisyPancakes » Mon Mar 18, 2013 8:11 pm

Awww, good news!! Yay for cutting out the funk all good and clean! :D

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Re: Ginger made it through!

Postby JudyL » Mon Mar 18, 2013 8:16 pm

That's such a relief! Great news about the clean margins too. Don't ever feel like you need to apologize or that you shouldn't be worried about an older dog having surgery. There is always some risk no matter what their age.

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Postby Amanda » Mon Mar 18, 2013 9:47 pm

Woo hoo!

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Re: Ginger made it through!

Postby Kevin » Wed Mar 20, 2013 3:17 pm

thats really great. It makes me happy.

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Postby Jen » Wed Mar 20, 2013 5:08 pm

Great news!

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Postby EllaBella » Wed Mar 20, 2013 6:50 pm

Yay! Glad she is recovering so well :-)

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Postby PofiMia » Thu Mar 21, 2013 10:28 am

Happy, happy news!!!

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Histo Update: Ginger made it through!

Postby Carson_Crazies » Thu Mar 21, 2013 1:39 pm

Well, the histopath came back. It is a malignant melanoma. They did have clean margins, but it's a fairly aggressive sort of thing if it DOES metastisize.

We have several options.

1. Watch her.
2. Staging. This would involve lymph node aspirates, chest xrays, and abdomen ultrasounds. If we stage it then we either:
a. if it's not metasticized: give some sort of melanoma vaccine (a series) to up the chance of it not spreading (to the tune of about 2000.00 for just the vaccine series)
b. if it HAS metasticized then we need to think about chemo, radiation, whatever.

I don't know what to do. I'm leaning towards a combo of 1 and 2. Watch her, but do aspirates and chest xrays. Part of me feels like I just *need* to know. The thing is, I'm not going to do chemo or radiation because I'm just plain flat out not doing that to her.

So I just don't know. He actually said that at this point he would just watch her carefully.
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RIP Zippy - January 11, 1994 to April 9, 2012

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Postby connie » Thu Mar 21, 2013 2:05 pm

Oh ugh, what a tough menu to have to choose from! I'm sorry to hear this. OTOH, Ginger *is* an incredibly tough dog, you've got that going for you.

You might want to give her modified citrus pectin. It's available at most health food stores and it's often effective in preventing metastasis, esp of melanoma.

http://www.cancer.org/treatment/treatme ... rus-pectin

Organic germanium is another anti-metastatic supplement I've used -- germanium is a metal, not geranium the flower. :)
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3998767

And Bromelain, too, is anti-metastatic.
http://depts.washington.edu/integonc/cl ... lain.shtml

I used all those supplements on Sander for many years. They're all quite safe. And given how long he lived with his histiocytoma, I'd say they're most likely effective, too.

Good luck.

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Re: Ginger made it through!

Postby SherriA » Thu Mar 21, 2013 3:10 pm

Well damn :( I'm glad they got good margins. I'd be inclined to watch, but if she doesn't have a hard time at the vet and you need to know what's going on, then the tests seem reasonable.
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Postby maxs_mommy » Thu Mar 21, 2013 7:08 pm

Aw crap. I'd be inclined to watch it too but do the testing to know where it was if it was. Good thoughts for Ginger and good thoughts that the clean margins hold.
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Re: Ginger made it through!

Postby Carson_Crazies » Fri Mar 22, 2013 3:19 am

Thanks, everyone. Connie, I've picked up some bromelain, and have ordered some MCP.

I'm going to start by *assuming* it has metastasized. I'm going to roll it around for a day or two to decide on whether or not we do any testing. I *may* go with a chest X-ray. It's hard to NOT know. But the truth is... the knowing won't change my course. Even if she comes up clean tomorrow, that doesn't mean it will stay that way. So how many times do I XRay her????

I've thought so many times about how I would handle something like this if it happened. But thinking about it didn't prepare me for the emotions involved.

I will say this... of all the nasties I was expecting or suspecting, melanoma was NOT on my list.
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Re: Ginger made it through!

Postby connie » Fri Mar 22, 2013 5:31 am

From what I know -- and certainly you should check this -- cancer won't show in the lungs on an x-ray after metastisis until it's significantly invaded. That's what the vets told me about Sander, anyway. IIRC they said the x-ray wouldn't show anything unless the lungs were more than 30% affected, which is a LOT. So if I had done an x-ray (and I did a few) of the lungs that showed cancer, it would be at the stage where palliative care was about the best option.

Sander's cancer, though, was not a type likely to go to the lungs on metastasis, so I didn't x-ray more than a couple of times and I didn't spend much time researching that.

Also, as you said, I thought 'so if I see it's in his lungs, what will I do then that I'm not doing now?' and the answer was: nothing. I was already doing all the things I could to help his immune system. From there, for us, it was just how much his body could use that help to keep the cancer in check.

It's a very tough spot, dealing with cancer in a senior dog. The courses of action available may not be in the best interests of the dog, given the age. I think it's a really individual thing and the dog has a big say in how far the owner will want to go.

It's still devastating, no matter the age, though. I'm very sorry you're facing this with Ginger.

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Re: Ginger made it through!

Postby whiteboxerboy » Fri Mar 22, 2013 8:55 am

I'm just now seeing this, I'm sorry to hear this update. I don't have any helpful suggestions but I'm sending good thoughts your way. What a bummer.

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Re: Ginger made it through!

Postby Amanda » Fri Mar 22, 2013 12:45 pm

I think your plan is a good one. I would do the same. Supplement using the suggestions Connie made, and watch, and pray. I hope she has much more good time with you and I'm so sorry this is the diagnosis you are faced with. :(

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Re: Ginger made it through!

Postby Jen » Fri Mar 22, 2013 11:13 pm

Oh no :( I'm sorry you're having to deal with this.


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