Aye, and kongs are great for that Don't get me wrong, I am all about positive reinforcement...and I think hands off is a great way to teach commands. I just hate seeing people asking their dog to do a command and trying to bribe them into it and the dog will only obey if they know they get a treat and if they happen to want it at the time. But I equally hate some person jerking their dog around, using harsh tone of voice, reacting in anger if their dog makes a mistake or frustration when the dog gets confused under all the stress...poor dogs.There's also a profound difference in "bribing" a dog and using positive reinforcement in training (which doesn't necessarily have to be all about food).
If you watch some more episodes you might see more of Millan's approach, including alpha rolls, holding dogs down in the presence of other (off leash) dogs and similar nonsense that doesn't do much but put you at risk of getting bitten.
You did what you had to do. Your very lucky the dog did not esculate his aggression due to being put into a intimidating position and go into a higher attack mode. With my Rottie the first time I rolled her she was too shocked to react in any way other than offer an appeasement behavior. I was just using gentle rolls and holding her down to show her I was boss...I don't recommend rolling a dog in any form shape etc.I was attacked by a male shepherd once while trying to scoop poop in a yard at the kennel...he was a daycare dog and I walked in the yard. He came over and got in the way so I reached for him and he clamped onto my arm growling and posturing in a dominant way...I grabbed his cheek and as he turned his head to bite that arm I grabbed the other side and put him on the ground and held him for a few minutes. He finally relaxed and acted submissive and I let him go. That dog had a nasty temperment and his owners let him intimidate him.
The alpha roll is supposed to mimic the behavior of the "top dog" in a pack, and send the message, "I'm the boss of you!" but one huge error in alpha roll logic is the belief that we can successfully pretend to be dogs in oru interactions with our canine companions. Dogs know we're not dogs, and any attempt on our part to mimic their language is doomed to failure.
Dogs are masters at speaking and reading canine body language. Their communications to each other are often subtle and nuanced, a furry ballet designed to keep peace in the pack. Our efforts to usecanine body communications are oafish in comparison - and I imagine that our dogs are alternately amused, confused, nonplussed, and terrified by our clumsy attempts to speak their language.
Violence occurs between dogs within established social groups when the communication system breakds down; it's a sign of an unhealthy pack relationship. Ethology studies from the 1970s and 1980's suggest that Canine social structure holds together because appeasement behaviors are offered by subordinate members, not because higher-ranking members aggressively demand subservience. Instead, successful pack leaders were observed to calmly control the good stuff - an approach frequently suggested by today's modern , positive trainers as a much safer, more appropriate, and effective method for creating a harmonious mixed-species social group
Reinforcement for proper behavior is not a bribe - you are only bribing if the dog sees the food first. When I train a dog, the rewards might be stashed everywhere - even on top of the fridge or in the oven. When I "catch my dog doing something good" or I ask for a behavior and the response is immediate, suddenly a reward might appear!I don't see how what Millan does is in any way similar to what military trainers did back in WW2 From what I have seen, he is very gentle. And I don't know why people have a problem taking charge and telling their dogs what to do instead of asking and bribing them.
You know what's funny about alpha rolls...an alpha dog doesn't roll a subordinate over....they do in on their own
Bingo. If ONE CONCEPT could be gotten through to the majority of dog owners about training, I would wish it could be this. In fact, I'd say that it doesn't even make the person a middle-ranking pack member; it makes them, to the dog, a volatile and unpredictably aggressive crazy person. Hard to respect one of those, and I know -- I've worked for a couple.So much of what makes up dominance theory is based on misinformation about wolf packs. Using physical force on a dog doesn't make you alpha in his mind. It makes you a middle ranking pack member of similar status.
No, you can't, and neither can he. And, someday, it will come back to haunt him, but probably not before it kills a few pet dogs whose owners try this crap and actually induce a fear bite, when they could have listened to trainers like Deborah Wood and Patricia McConnell to train their fearful dogs to be more confident.I'm so glad to hear you say this about him, I hear people go on and on about his TV show so I finally watched it and I was not impressed. He kicked the dog in the hip to make it stay, push another one off a bed to make it stay down then pushed it again when it was only looking at the people and not even trying to jump up, I am not a trainer and by no means an expert with dogs, but can you really teach a dog aggressive dog to stop in one lesson?
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