Herding Dogs: Progressive Training

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Herding Dogs: Progressive Training

Postby Paige » Sat Jun 30, 2007 9:33 pm

By Vergil S. Holland

I just got this book in--it had gotten good reviews on Amazon and Dogwise.

Anyone read it?

(I'm such a nerd! I love to just get totally immersed in my new projects--please bare with me!)

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Re: Herding Dogs: Progressive Training

Postby PaulaS » Sun Jul 01, 2007 7:48 am

Yup, I've read it! It's good and informative, especially for beginners like us, Paige. I stopped reading when it got to the intermediate and advanced training parts, since I'm not there yet, but I read all around those parts.

I really liked it and his little drawings are helpful. It's in everyday language, nothing goes over your head, it's easy to understand. He also talks about the different styles of herding dogs, though he primarily trains border collies.

It's on loan to a friend of mine, but if you want to discuss any parts in particular, I can do so after I get it back.

Enjoy!

PS Calypso, this would be a good one for you, too.
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Re: Herding Dogs: Progressive Training

Postby Calypso » Sun Jul 01, 2007 11:38 am

I haven't read it yet, but my instructor recommended it to us. That and _Lessons from a Stock Dog_ by Bruce Fogt. I'm ordering them right now!

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Re: Herding Dogs: Progressive Training

Postby cjs » Sun Jul 01, 2007 2:35 pm

I have and read it. I was also told that is primarily deals with bc since I have aussies but it was a great resource.

And anyone wanting some really good videos on stockdogs and such I have a link to a few breeders that breed working aussies. Very nice info...
let me know!

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Re: Herding Dogs: Progressive Training

Postby Carson_Crazies » Sun Jul 01, 2007 3:17 pm

I haven't read Virgil's book, but I do have Bruce Fogt's book. There are a lot of things in Fogt's book that I wouldn't do with my dogs, but there are also some good things there as well. ;)
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Re: Herding Dogs: Progressive Training

Postby Calypso » Sun Jul 01, 2007 6:20 pm

Laura - where did you get Fogt's book? I was hoping to get it from Amazon, but I'm not paying $99 for it!

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Re: Herding Dogs: Progressive Training

Postby PaulaS » Sun Jul 01, 2007 6:26 pm

That's why I don't have it, Calypso!
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Re: Herding Dogs: Progressive Training

Postby Carson_Crazies » Mon Jul 02, 2007 7:36 am

Holy COW!! I think I got it from www.bordercollies.com a year or two ago. I *think* I paid like $25-30 for it, but not sure. Geez, now I'm going to have to go over there... and I'll probably end up with a new whistle, stock sticks, and who knows what else. rofl
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Re: Herding Dogs: Progressive Training

Postby PaulaS » Mon Jul 02, 2007 9:56 am

That's a much better price, Laura!
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Re: Herding Dogs: Progressive Training

Postby Carson_Crazies » Mon Jul 02, 2007 12:45 pm

lol No doubt! I also got my Derek Scrimgeour & Glyn Jones videos there. Then I got a new whistle today when I went to price check for you all... I obviously have no control at the moment. rofl
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Re: Herding Dogs: Progressive Training

Postby agilebcs » Tue Jul 03, 2007 5:47 am

I just got the catalog from Border Collies in Action in the mail the other day. It's much cheaper to look at the catalog than look at stuff online (somehow when I'm online my fingers start ordering stuff!)

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Re: Herding Dogs: Progressive Training

Postby Carson_Crazies » Tue Jul 03, 2007 8:22 am

Yeah, doing that would make sense, since mine was sitting right here at my elbow. Sounds like I was just looking for an excuse to spend some $$ that I didn't need to. ;) rofl I get into way too much trouble when I go there.
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Re: Herding Dogs: Progressive Training

Postby spiritdogs » Sat Jul 21, 2007 6:15 pm

Holy COW!! I think I got it from http://www.bordercollies.com a year or two ago. I *think* I paid like $25-30 for it, but not sure. Geez, now I'm going to have to go over there... and I'll probably end up with a new whistle, stock sticks, and who knows what else. rofl


I just looked and it's still only $28.50 there. I may get it - I read Holland's book already, and liked most of it.

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Re: Herding Dogs: Progressive Training

Postby BeccaIFBC » Sat Oct 20, 2007 1:29 pm

I always recommend Vergil's book for beginners. His explanation of terms and whatnot are very down-to-earth.

He actually has a lot of experience training stockdogs of all kinds. I found his descriptions of various herding dog personalities to be helpful at an early stage of understanding - and he's remarkably sensitive to the unique approaches of every type of dog, no matter what the breed.

I don't recommend applying his training principles without some knowlege of livestock or prior experience training stockdogs, conversely. It's easy to misapply what he's saying to do.

He's a great guy and his book has been a terrific resource for beginners for years now.

Bruce Fogt's book is a marvelous read. As Laura said, some of the methods outlined are now a bit old fashioned, but still help to see where it's appropriate to put pressure on, and where not. And he has a great sense of humor and really is as nice and humble as his book makes him sound. But he is now a top handler
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