What would you do? Disreputable breeder issues.

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What would you do? Disreputable breeder issues.

Postby Amanda » Mon Feb 20, 2017 11:17 pm

Some of you know the entire story of Zeke's saga. I have tended to stay quiet in public arenas about the issues he has had and the poor response I've had from his breeder about all his issues. I am trying not to make this a novel. I am curious about the opinions you may have regarding my responses to her and whether or not I should continue to push her for the refund our contract stipulates. Here's the nitty gritty:

Zeke was purchased as a show/work prospect. As such, our contract states that if he develops disqualifying faults or congenital health defects in the first 2 years I am entitled to either: 1) 50% purchase price refund and keep him, 2) return him (at my expense) for a full refund or replacement puppy. #2 is not an option for me.

Zeke is 28.5 inches tall. Breed standard is 23-25 inches. DQ fault height is anything over 26 inches. She will not refund me based on height.

Zeke was lame for nearly half of his first 18 months of life. Not exaggerating. He had multiple bouts of panosteitis. At 15 months he was diagnosed by three vets with hip dysplasia. Both hips subluxed under anesthesia. Right hip when awake. We did extensive rehab and supplements with adequan. She refused refund at this time stating she would only accept an OFA rating. The word of a vet, board certified orthopedic surgeon, and vet rehab specialist were not sufficient. In November he eked out an OFA fair rating that the radiologist told me was ONLY because of the treatments I provided.

Meanwhile, his behavior deteriorated. At 16 months is when it started. He became aggressive toward children. We tried everything. He did not respond to training. His reactions became stronger. We started to pursue rehoming him.

Last month I ran his thyroid. He is technically over her 2 year health guarantee at this point, but it was my last ditch effort to try to keep him and it turned out he is hypothyroid. He does not have the autoimmune form which is what OFA tests for so he would pass an OFA thyroid test. But Dr. Dodds stated he does have "familial hypothyroidism presumably in his family history." Breeder's response to the info about his test was "Good news! Fingers crossed the medication solves his problems." I have not told her Dodds' opinion that it is genetic. She will surely deny it.

So. His breeder has a reputation for wearing her defective puppy buyers down until they just don't care anymore and stop pursuing refunds. I have heard this from 3 separate sources. I am at that point. I no longer care one bit about the money. It is quite literally a drop in the bucket to the thousands we have spent in vet bills in two years. It would help subsidize the cost of the medication he will now have to take for life. But it's neither here nor there. What is sticking me is a) she is getting away with selling defective puppies without consequences. And b) I don't want anyone else falling for her schemes. She has some high quality animals, but she is a volume breeder. She's bound to have champions and she's bound to have crap. The trouble is that she doesn't stand behind the crap. She sweeps it under the rug and carries on selling probably at least 100 puppies a year.

Well, I made a novel anyway, but what would you do? I am tempted to send another message saying that she clearly knows we've been through the ringer with this dog. That he was supposed to be show quality and work prospect. That nothing panned out. And now we have a life long medical (and behavioral) issue that the vet says was inherited. And respectfully request my refund (again.) Then when she inevitably says no, I am thinking of taking my complaint to Facebook. I am not one for confrontation, but I do feel like someone needs to speak out in a public way against her. She will surely have a lot to say against me. She has a horde of minions that will likely attack me also. I am not entirely sure I can emotionally handle the onslaught that would surely follow. But at the same time, there are real live puppies and real live families affected by her. Since I feel so strongly, do you think it would be better to skip asking for the refund a second time and just take a complaint straight to Facebook saying all we've been through and she was informed of his thyroid issue and still did not offer the refund? That she is a breeder that does not stand behind the puppies she breeds unless they are champions? I don't want to make it about the money. Because it truly isn't about that. It's about exposing that she is the equivalent of a backyard breeder pretty much. She has had a minimum of 10 litters per year from '13-'15, 9 litters in '12 and so far 8 litters registered in '16 but more will come as owners start registering and health testing their pups. Beyond that I stopped counting. And these are only what I can dig up on the Vizsla database. There are a lot more reasons the call foul on her, but in the interest of making my long story shorter I will stop now. Anybody have thoughts for me? Maybe I should just cut my losses and not get involved in online drama. I just really hate how much people think she's the world's best when really she's just the world's most. :(

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Re: What would you do? Disreputable breeder issues.

Postby UpwardDog » Tue Feb 21, 2017 11:28 am

If she didn't refund you on the hips and being that oversized, I highly doubt she would over the hypothyroid. I am not sure where you would post on FB that would serve to warn other potential puppy buyers. What about the breed club?

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Re: What would you do? Disreputable breeder issues.

Postby Amanda » Wed Feb 22, 2017 1:22 am

I know she won't refund for the thyroid. I would only ask so that she can't claim I never did, even though she had the opportunity to offer it. There are several social groups on Facebook. I'd probably post there. Her Facebook page doesn't allow reviews. I am hoping for his brother to get his thyroid checked. His owner is super busy right now but she is going to run his also as he has similar issues. Not sure about breed clubs. The last time I talked with someone about that (breeder from U.K.) she said the only thing FCI would care about is if she falsified pedigrees. :/

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Re: What would you do? Disreputable breeder issues.

Postby connie » Thu Mar 30, 2017 6:09 am

Breed club.
Never mind what anyone told you; this is what the breed club EXISTS for, and it should be notified. If they don't choose to sanction her, then THAT should be noted in online breed forums. Basically, you want to spread the word about the way this breeder handled this, and social media is great for that.
The breed club might have to be hammered with this, but I am betting there ARE members in the club who will care about this. Since nothing you can do will change the breeder's behavior, the best you can hope for is to shine a light on it.

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Re: What would you do? Disreputable breeder issues.

Postby connie » Thu Mar 30, 2017 6:10 am

Are there FB pages and groups devoted to the breed? There are quite a few, for Lappies. If there are, find them, join them, and post factual descriptions of your experiences. Make it so this breeder sees her story coming and going.


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