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#97154 - 03/24/07 09:27 PM
Compiling canned food information
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Kelly
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Registered: 03/06/06
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Loc: Oklahoma City
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I copied this information from a post on another board. Mordanna, I'm sure you know all this, but I thought others might find it interesting/helpful
This information was gathered from various sources, including manufacturers themselves, and is not guaranteed to be 100% accurate.
Blue Buffalo: Not made by Menu Foods. Canned foods made by American Nutrition in Utah. Dry foods made at CJ Foods in Kansas.
Breeder's Choice: Wet products made by Menu Foods, but not involved in the recall.
Canidae: No products made by Menu Foods.
Canine Caviar: Not made by Menu Foods. Canned food made by American Nutrition in Utah.
Castor & Pollux: Organix and Natural Ultramix made by Menu Foods but not involved in the recall.
Drs. Foster & Smith: Canned foods made by Menu Foods but not involved in the recall. Refused to say where dry is made.
Eagle Pack: Some products made by Menu Foods but not involved in the recall.
Evangers: No foods made by Menu Foods. They have their own cannery.
Go! Natural (Petcurean) Canned made at Menu Foods, Canada.
Dry made at various Candadian mills
Halo, Purely For Pets (Spot's Stew) Not made at Menu Foods. Foods are made at a USDA kitchen where human foods are made. Nothing less than USDA grade foods can even be brought into the kitchen.
Merrick: No products made by Menu Foods. All Merrick foods, dry, canned and treats are made by their own facility.
Natura (Healthwise, California Naturals, Innova): Has their own plant for dry foods. Canned food is made at the South Dakota Menu Foods plant, which is not one of the plants involved in the recall. They also say they provide all the ingredients themselves.
Natural Balance: Not made by Menu Foods. Dry food is made at their own plant then shipped to the Diamond plant where it is bagged. They have their own people on site all of the time. Canned food is made at their own plant, then shipped to American Nutrition in Utah where it is canned. Natural Balance has their own line at American Nutrtion and no other canned foods are run through NB's equipment.
Nature's Variety: Canned food made by Menu Foods but not involved in the recall.
Newman's Own Organics: Didn't specify which, but said "We contract with an organic- certified manufacturer to make our foods, although we develop the formulations and source the ingredients". Petfoodexpress.com says it's made by Menu Foods but not included in the recall.
Pet Promise: Not made by Menu Foods. Canned foods are made at their own plant in Wisconsin. Dry Foods are made at their own plant in Denver.
Precise: Refuses to say whether or not their foods are made by Menu Foods, but they are not involved in the recall.
Solid Gold: No products made by Menu Foods. Dry food made by Diamond.
Timberwolf Organics: When contacted, they refused to say whether or not their food is made by Menu Foods. Said they can't give out that information.
Wellness/Old Mother Hubbard: Some products made by Menu Foods but not involved in the recall.
Wysong: Most foods are made at their own facility. Their Au Jus line, the Chicken Stew and Gravy, and Beef Stew and Gravy foods are made at Menu Foods but not involved in the recall.
Also, Trader Joe's is not involved in the recall, but is voluntarily removing all canned foods made by Menu Foods, only as a precaution.
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#97555 - 03/26/07 02:16 PM
Re: Compiling canned food information
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Mordanna
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Loc: Los Angeles, CA
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Some more info on Fromm's canned food:
My name is Bryan Nieman and my family owns Fromm Family Foods (my great grandmother was Erna Fromm.) I am not sure who you spoke with in the office but our reasoning for making our product in China was definitely NOT to cut down costs. It is not cheaper to make our product in China. The reality is it is not possible for us to make our product in the USA. We searched for a plant for 2 years before we looked outside of the country. Our canned products are made in a human food plant which means every single ingredient allowed in the vicinity of the plant must be certified for human consumption. In the US only 1 plant would agree to produce our pet food in their human food plant in the quantities that we could deal with (we are a very small family owned company and cannot order millions of cans at a time.) We had test runs done at that 1 plant and were not completely satisfied with the results so we had to look outside of the country. Our biochemist Rich Marino (the first person ever to have pet food produced in a human food plant- Active Life) traveled around the world to find a place that would adhere to our standards. We finally settled on a incredible plant in China which hand cuts all of the meats and vegetables all while wearing protective clothing, masks, and boots to make sure everything is completely sterile. This type of environment is non existent in the pet food plants we toured. Sorry, this is getting a little long winded but I wanted to make sure you heard the straight story. We produce our own dry food at our plant in Wisconsin which gives us complete control over quality. We wanted to make cans for years but we will only release a product we are 100% satisfied with and the plants here in the US were not able to live up to our quality standards. Every time we produce our cans in China Rich is there to supervise the operation and to make sure all of our expectations are met. We are continually looking for opportunities here in the USA to produce our product and down the road we would like to have our OWN cannery, but until this is possible we will do whatever we have to to ensure our quality standards are met. If you have any more questions I would be happy to answer them just send me an email to my attention through our contact page at http://www.frommfamily.com/contact.php . My dad is the president of the company and he puts his heart and soul into every aspect of it. I believe this is strikingly apparent every time you open any one of our products. Take care! Bryan Nieman Fromm Family Foods
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#97568 - 03/26/07 03:26 PM
Re: Compiling canned food information
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2whippets
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Registered: 02/10/06
Posts: 208
Loc: Sacto, CA
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Wow, I'm gone for a while and the whole place is in an uproar! It's like idog all over again! (Actually it's not but I couldn't resist). Well, I guess arsenic in food does tend to get people's dander up. I just ordered a new bag of TWO and the website has a notice that their canned stuff (which I haven't tried) isn't in issue.
Mordy, I saw you are favoring the 95%+ foods listed above - understandably so. However, some of the regular canned foods (e.g., Cal Nat Salmon) actually have a higher protein content than the all meat types, with the same (or lower moiture %). Wouldn't those merit equal endorsement?
Also, the 95% stuff, which I do buy, is very pricey. I can get NB canned beef or liver for less than a $1 per can.
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#97693 - 03/26/07 10:55 PM
Re: Compiling canned food information
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2whippets
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Registered: 02/10/06
Posts: 208
Loc: Sacto, CA
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I understand what you are saying, Sabine, and I certainly didn't think you were being critical of the non-all meat canned foods. Let me try it from a different angle - why is the Cal Nat Salmon @ 12% protein and 8% fat less desireable or less "meaty" than the 95% EVO at 9% protein and 7% fat? More nonmeat protein?? I am not being rhetorical here; I truly am a bit baffled.
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#97699 - 03/26/07 11:53 PM
Re: Compiling canned food information
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Mordanna
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Ok, I understand better what you were asking now, and I admit, I did have to look for the reasons myself. 
The CN Salmon is a product that doesn't quite fit in with the "regular" types of canned food if you compare them. A higher amount of plant-based protein would be my first guess and the logical explanation, but looking at the ingredient list you'll see that there isn't any major source of plant protein.
Natura doesn't disclose information like actual meat percentage in their regular formulas, so it's useless to ask, but my guess is the reason for the high protein content despite including a carb source is because it has a high content of fish, and both salmon and mackerel are higher in protein than for example beef or chicken.
Compared on dry matter basis (all rounded): Chicken 56% p, 44% f Beef 45% p, 47.5% f Mackerel 67% p, 27% f Salmon 64.5% p, 35.5% f
I freely admit that I've done far less research into canned foods than dry and home prepared, but I'll definitely work on catching up.
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#97767 - 03/27/07 08:58 AM
Re: Compiling canned food information
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2whippets
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Registered: 02/10/06
Posts: 208
Loc: Sacto, CA
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That would definitely explain it, Sabine. As another example, Pinnacle Trout is also relatively high in protein and fat, so your theory seems to fit the evidence!! 
Thanks.
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