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#148415 - 12/10/07 02:57 PM Re: Timberwolf changes.... [Re: jadakei]
jlphilli Offline
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I'd love to see if the TWO reps will post a come back to all of this...not likely. lol
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#148416 - 12/10/07 02:59 PM Re: Timberwolf changes.... [Re: jadakei]
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My guess is that it's just really outdated information. Maybe you could email them and ask.
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#148433 - 12/10/07 03:45 PM Re: Timberwolf changes.... [Re: Mordanna]
jadakei Offline
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Registered: 09/04/06
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Loc: New Jersey, USA
I thought that - but the food part matches what they say are their
new ingredients.
Have they in the past used chicken fat, rosemary extract, menadione?
I know for the past 2 years none of that has been listed on the bags
I've purchased.
Maybe it's a version of multiple ingredients lists and
it might of "accidently" got sent to that site who requested a list
of ingredients from their food.
I don't know anymore.

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#148443 - 12/10/07 04:04 PM Re: Timberwolf changes.... [Re: jadakei]
Jen Offline
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 Originally Posted By: jadakei
I don't know anymore.


I'd stop using Timberwolf and forget about them. Since I don't use Timberwolf products, I *never* have to worry about anything they do or do not do. I think your life would be much less stressful if you just let it go.
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#148444 - 12/10/07 04:07 PM Re: Timberwolf changes.... [Re: jadakei]
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Here is an old, archived part of their website:

Archived September 26, 2001
http://web.archive.org/web/20010423000052/timberwolforganics.com/wild_naturl_lamb_roll.htm

It's not the same food item, but shows that at some point they were using menadione.

And here are listings I archived on 08/03/05 when I noticed they were outdated:

Timberwolf Organics - Black Forest Canid Formula

Ingredients:
Lamb meal (new zealand), venison meat (australia), whole ground brown rice, whole ground millet, whole ground barley, whole ground flaxseed, herring meal, carrot, watercress, spinach, celery, parsley, fennel seed, wild salmon oil, unrefined walnut oil, kelp, amaranth, blueberries, glucosomine, cranberries, pears, figs, thyme, anise seed, ground cinnamon bark, fenugreek, garlic pieces, lecithin, sunflower seeds, sesame seeds, apples, chicory root, taurine, spirulina, probiotics: (lactobacillus acidophillus, lactobacillus casei, lactobacillus lactis, bacillus bifdum, streptococcus dialecetilacttis, bacillus subtillus), mixed tocopherols (a source of vitamin E) choline chloride, lysine, iron amino acid chelate, zinc amino acid chelate, vitamin E supplement, yucca schidigera extract, manganese amino acid chelate, thiamin, niacin, vitamin a supplement, calcium pantothenate, ribofavin supplement, vitamin B12 supplement, d-activated animal sterol (a source of vitamin D3), potassium chloride, pyridoxine hydrochloride (a source of vitamin B6), biotin, folic acid, sodium selenite, cobalt amino acid chelate, papain

Guaranteed Analysis
Protein: 22%
Fat: 12%
Fiber: 5%
Moisture: 9%
[Carbohydrates: 37%]

Additional Nutrient Guarantees
Calcium: 1.5%

Calories
496 Kcal/cup

Omega Fatty Acids
Omega 6: min 2.6%
Omega 3: min 1.2%
Ratio: 2.17:1

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Timberwolf Organics - Southwest Chicken and Herbs

Ingredients:
Chicken meal, chicken, turkey meal, whole ground oats, chicken fat (preserved with natural mixed tocopherols and rosemary extract), brown rice, ground barley, salmon meal, ground whole flaxseed, unrefined roasted walnut oil, nutritional yeast, sun cured seaweeds, sun dried tomatoes, carrot, watercress, spinach, celery, parsley, fennel seed, dried cottage cheese, casein, dried chicken liver, lecithin, yeast culture, amaranth, turmeric, anise seed, cumin, ground ginger, organic blue corn, dried cranberries, rosemary, coriander, probiotics: (lactobacillus acidophillus, lactobacillus casei, lactobacillus lactis, bacillus bifidum, streptococcus diacetilactis, bacillus subtillus), mixed tocopherols (a source of vitamin E) choline chloride, taurine, iron amino acid chelate, zinc amino acid chelate, stabilized vitamin C, vitamin E supplement, yucca schidigera extract, manganese amino acid chelate, thiamine, niacin, vitamin A supplement, calcium pantothenate, riboflavin supplement, vitamin B12 supplement, d-activated animal sterol (a source of vitamin D3), potassium chloride, pyridoxine hydrochloride (a source of vitamin B6), biotin, folic acid, sodium selenite, cobalt amino acid chelate, papain

Guaranteed Analysis
Protein: 25%
Fat: 15%
Fiber: 3%
Moisture: 9%

Calories
620 Kcal/cup

Omega Fatty Acids
Omega 6: min 4%
Omega 3: min 1%
Ratio: 4:1

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Timberwolf Organics - Dakota Bison

Ingredients:
Bison meal, millet, potatoes, oats, flaxseed, white fish meal, carrot, watercress, spinach, red beets, celery, parsley, fennel seed, wild salmon oil, unrefined walnut oil, kelp, amaranth, blueberries, glucosomine, cranberries, pears, figs, thyme, anise seed, ground cinnamon bark, fenugreek, garlic pieces, lecithin, sunflower seeds, sesame seeds, apples, chicory root, taurine, spirulina, probiotics: (lactobacillus acidophillus, lactobacillus casei, lactobacillus lactis, bacillus bifidum, streptococcus dialecetilacttis, bacillus subtillus), mixed tocopherols (a source of vitamin E) choline chloride, lysine, iron amino acid chelate, zinc amino acid chelate, vitamin e supplement, yucca schidigera extract, manganese amino acid chelate, thiamin, niacin, vitamin A supplement, calcium pantothenate, riboflavin supplement, vitamin B12 supplement, d-activated animal sterol (a source of vitamin D3), potassium chloride, pyridoxine hydrochloride (a source of vitamin B6), biotin, folic acid, sodium selenite, cobalt amino acid chelate, papain

Guaranteed Analysis
Protein: 26%
Fat: 14%
Fiber: 3.5%
Moisture: 10%

Additional Nutrient Guarantees
Calcium: 1.5%

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Timberwolf Organics - Ocean Blue

Ingredients:
Low ash white fish meal, potatoes, whole ground millet, oats, ground flaxseed, carrot, watercress, spinach, celery, parsley, fennel seed, sardine/mackerel/anchovy/tuna oils, kelp, amaranth, blueberries, glucosomine, cranberries, pears, figs, thyme, anise seed, ground cinnamon bark, fenugreek, garlic pieces, lecithin, sunflower seeds, sesame seeds, apples, taurine, spirulina, probiotics: (lactobacillus acidophillus, lactobacillus casei, lactobacillus lactis, bacillus bifidum, streptococcus dialecetilacttis, bacillus subtillus), mixed tocopherols (a source of vitamin E) choline chloride, lysine, iron amino acid chelate, zinc amino acid chelate, vitamin E supplement, yucca schidigera extract, manganese amino acid chelate, thiamin, niacin, vitamin A supplement, calcium pantothenate, riboflavin supplement, vitamin B12 supplement, d-activated animal sterol (a source of vitamin D3), potassium chloride, pyridoxine hydrochloride (a source of vitamin B6), biotin, folic acid, sodium selenite, cobalt amino acid chelate, papain

Guaranteed Analysis
Protein: 26%
Fat: 14%
Fiber: 3%
Moisture: 9%

Calories
592 Kcal/cup

Omega Fatty Acids
Omega 6: min 3.4%
Omega 3: min 1.3%
Ratio: 2.6:1

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Timberwolf Organics - Nutrient Dense Lamb, Barley and Apples

Ingredients:
Special low ash lamb meal (imported from new zealand), whole ground oats, whole ground barley, whole ground brown rice, chicken fat (preserved with mixed tocopherols and rosemary extract), whole ground flaxseed, salmon meal, unrefined walnut oil, carrot, watercress, spinach, celery, parsley, fennel seed, dried goat’s milk, nutritional yeast, sun cured seaweeds, cottage cheese, rosemary, amaranth, apples, cinnamon, thyme, fennel seed, dried carrots, anise seed, ginger root, basil, dried mint, salmon oil, lecithin, probiotics (lactobacillus acidophilus, lactobacillus casei, lactobacillus lactis, bacillus bifidum, steptococcus diacetilactis, bacillus subtillus), potassium chloride, choline chloride, taurine, iron amino acid chelate, zinc oxide, vitamin E supplement, yucca schidigera extract, manganese amino acid chelate, thiamine, niacin, vitamin A supplement, calcium pantothenate, riboflavin supplement, vitamin B12 supplement, calcium iodate, d-activated animal sterol (source of vitamin D3), biotin, folic acid, pyridoxine hydrochloride, copper sulphate, sodium selenite, cobalt amino acid chelate, calcium iodate, ethylenediamine dihydriodide (source of iodine), papain

Guaranteed Analysis
Protein: 28%
Fat: 18%
Fiber: 3%
Moisture: 9%

Calories
614 Kcal/cup

Omega Fatty Acids
Omega 6: min 3.8%
Omega 3: min 1.3%
Ratio: 2.9:1

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Timberwolf Organics - Wild & Natural Dry

Ingredients:
Chicken meal, fresh chicken, brown rice, chicken fat (preserved with mixed tocopherols, rosemary extract), barley, potatoes, flax seed, salmon oil (preserved with mixed tocopherols and rosemary extract), fresh eggs, dried chicken liver, white fish meal, dried whole milk, dried whey extract, nutritional yeast, kelp, casein, calcium carbonate, potassium chloride, lecithin, choline chloride, lactobacillus acidophilus fermentation product, bifidobacterium thermophilum fermentation, bifidobacterium longum fermentation product, enterobacter faecium fermentation product, bacillus subtilis fermentation product, fresh blueberries, fresh cranberries, zinc sulfate, dl-methionine, taurine, iron sulfate, carnitine, zinc proteinate, vitamin e supplement, creatine, manganese sulfate, iron proteinate, manganese proteinate, vitamin B12 supplement, vitamin A supplement, niacin, vitamin D3 supplement, cobalt proteinate, d-calcium pantothenate, riboflavin, copper sulfate, cobalt carbonate, biotin, thiamine mononitrate, folic acid, pyridoxine hydrochloride, copper proteinate, sodium selenite, papain, yucca schidigera extract

Guaranteed Analysis
Protein: 34%
Fat: 18%
Fiber: 2.5%
Moisture: 9%

Calories
609 Kcal/cup

Omega Fatty Acids
Omega 6: min 3.6%
Omega 3: min 1.2%
Ratio: 3:1

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Timberwolf Organics - Wilderness Elk Dry

Ingredients:
Fresh elk, salmon meal, millet, sweet potatoes, oats, flaxseed, carrot, watercress, spinach, celery, parsley, fennel seed, wild salmon oil, kelp, amaranth, currants, cranberries, pears, figs, thyme, anise seed, ground cinnamon bark, fenugreek, garlic pieces, lecithin, sunflower seeds, sesame seeds, apples, chicory root, taurine, spirulina, probiotics, mixed tocopherols (a source of vitamin E) choline chloride, lysine, iron amino acid chelate, zinc amino acid chelate, vitamin E supplement, yucca schidigera extract, manganese amino acid chelate, thiamin, niacin, vitamin A supplement, calcium pantothenate, riboflavin supplement, vitamin B12 supplement, d-activated animal sterol (a source of vitamin D3), potassium chloride, pyridoxine hydrochloride (a source of vitamin B6), biotin, folic acid, sodium selenite, cobalt amino acid chelate, papain

Guaranteed Analysis
Protein: 26%
Fat: 16%
Fiber: 3.5%
Moisture: 10%

Calories
???
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#149863 - 12/17/07 12:52 AM Re: Timberwolf changes.... [Re: Mordanna]
letsgohiking Offline
Settling in

Registered: 12/17/07
Posts: 16
Loc: Canada
Frustrated...
one of my girls has a SUPER sensitive stomach, and it took me four months to find something that she would eat, and wouldn't give her permanent diarrhea. She's eating TWO Southwest Chicken. She LOVES chicken. She's doing fantastic right now, she's energetic, she's eating (which I have to tell you is an accomplishment for her) and no runny poop!
I'm upset with the company, but too scared to change her food. So: am I a bad mommy?
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#149867 - 12/17/07 04:32 AM Re: Timberwolf changes.... [Re: letsgohiking]
SherriA Offline
No, I don't have a life!

Registered: 02/03/07
Posts: 7210
Loc: CT
Welcome to ODO! I don't think you're a bad Mommy. I think being a good doggie mommy is about doing your best. Keeping her eating and not having digestive problems is important, and it's not like you're feeding Pedigree.

Perhaps someone else who used TWO will have suggestions of other brands that worked for their sensitive dogs. I've never fed it and while my guy is a picky eater, he's never had any kind of problems with any grain free food that I've tried.

From what I can see in your sig pic, your dogs look totally cute. \:\)
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